Sea Breeze
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1915 Millennial Dawnism!
by Atlantis in1915 millennial dawnism,the blasphemous religion which teaches,the annihilation of jesus christ, by i. m. haldeman, d.d.
pastor, first baptist church: broadway and 79th street, new york, n.y..click the link by the blue arrow.,http://www.sendspace.com/file/n9cmir..petra
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Hypothetical Bible question for Christians
by BoogerMan inalthough not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.
reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.
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If YOU made something "perfect", why would you UNNECESSARILY subject it to a trial/test?
Why do you assume it was UNNECESSARY?
"I would not have known sin except through the law"
"But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to that by which we were bound, so that we may serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter of the law."
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Pursue Peace Assembly 2022 .. Joseph shares stories about his Bible days
by RULES & REGULATIONS inpursue peace assembly 2022 shows a resurrected, newly shaven joseph, the son of jacob and rachel, having a nice dinner at a beautiful restaurant in the new system.
the survivors of armageddon all want to know if joseph can share stories about his life.. ''can you tell us what egypt was like?
what was pharaoh like?''.
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The survivors of Armageddon all want to know if Joseph can share stories about his life.. ''Can you tell us what Egypt was like? What was Pharaoh like?''
Why don't they just ask Pharaoh themselves? I thought that everyone paid for their sins when they died gets a do-over in the new system.
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Sarah Kellen - Victim or Vixen?
by Sea Breeze insarah kellen has been described as jeffery epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.. kellen’s [jehovah's witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.. the split with her family came after kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:.
sarah’s parents told the daily mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.. so, is she a victim or a sly fox?.
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Here's my take:
To JW Parents Lurking Here: DON'T BE STUPID. If you shun your teenage kids and deny them family and love, don't be surprised where they end up. There are many people waiting in line to pick up what you have discarded.
Anyone else here get shunned at an early age? How did that effect you?
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Sarah Kellen - Victim or Vixen?
by Sea Breeze insarah kellen has been described as jeffery epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.. kellen’s [jehovah's witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.. the split with her family came after kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:.
sarah’s parents told the daily mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.. so, is she a victim or a sly fox?.
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Sarah Kellen has been described as Jeffery Epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.
Kellen’s [Jehovah's Witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with Epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.
The split with her family came after Kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:
Sarah’s parents told the Daily Mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.
So, is she a victim or a sly fox?
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Do you pray?
by Fisherman ini’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..
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I’ve always had a personal relationship with God
@Fisherman - scripture says that "if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his".
Have you been born again with a new spirit?
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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Unlike Joseph Smith, Mary Eddy Baker, and other false teachers, Russell did not rely on visions or other extra-biblical revelation. Rather, he simply misinterpreted the Bible and was an accomplished liar when characterizing other Christians like in his world
tourvacation to "investigate" missionaries.He set the framework and tone for people like Rutherford, who just followed in his footsteps.
While claiming to be a Christian who was restoring the faith of the New Testament, he denied many key Christian doctrines including the tri-partite nature of man, the triune nature of God, the existence of the Holy Spirit, Russell held that the soul simply ceases to exist after death.
As with Arius centuries before, he held that Jesus was a created being, and was actually Michael the Archangel in disguise. He taught that Jesus rose only spiritually rather than physically. He denied the divinity of Jesus.
These flip flops about Jesus as Mediator are documented by JW Facts:
Russell appears to have been thoroughly confused about the role of mediator. At times he felt that the 144,000 were not under the new covenant, at other times that they were under the New Covenant. When he taught that they were not under the New Covenant it followed that they did not need a mediator and that they (along with Jesus) played role of mediator for mankind.
- Up to 1880 Russell taught that Jesus and the body of Christ (the 144,000) mediated for mankind, so the 144,000 were not included in the New Covenant.
"It should be remembered that we are in him heirs of glory, not under the new covenant, which is still future, but in the Abrahamic covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Feb p.72
- Russell changed his mind and from 1881 to 1907 said the Church is included in the New Covenant
"In a sense, the operation of the new covenant begins with the Gospel church and lifts us from the plane of degradation and sin-to a justified or reckoned perfect condition, from which we can go forward in the narrow way, becoming heirs of the first covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Sep p.151
- In 1907, Russell re-introduced his teaching that the new covenant is not made with the church at all.
"It was very inconsistent for us to quote in one breath the Apostle's statement that we are members of the Isaac Seed, the children of the old, original Covenant, and then in the next breath to class ourselves as beneficiaries of the New Covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1909 Jan 1 p.12 (See also Zion's Watch Tower 1909 Apr 1 p.110)
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The significance of these heresies cannot be overstated. They directly affect a persons' salvation.
1. Scriptures says if we deny Jesus' bodily resurrection, then we have no hope.
2. If Jesus was really Michael the Archangel, then somebody has false faith in the wrong Jesus.
3. If Jesus isn't our Mediator, then we cannot be Justified (declared righteous)
I always wondered where the outcry and pushback was from the Christian community when Russell started publishing his heresies. Scriptures are clear like in Gal. 1: 8-9 that if anyone preaches a different gospel than what the apostles preached, that they are double cursed in the bible.
A lot of exjws don't know that the elder/pastor/deacon requirement of being "a husband of one wife" is taken quite literally and quite seriously, even today, by many churches. You simply cannot hold one of those offices if you have been married more than once. So, the divorce was just another point on which to inform the public.
Early Christian leaders were discipled directly by the apostles. Then, early schools were set up in Antioch and Alexandria to make sure the faith was not perverted as it passed from one person to another. Usually Christian leaders studied under someone or some institution that could vouch for their orthodoxy. But Russel just popped up and announced that everyone except for himself was a fraud and that people had no hope unless they listened to him.Rutherford, other WT presidents, and all JW's today preach the EXACT SAME THING just as Russell taught.
Russell, Rutherford and the WT organization as a whole perfectly fit the description of a false Christ (Savior).
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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Sea Breeze
He alleged that Russell was involved in questionable business practices, had defrauded his estranged wife, and denounced his qualifications, legitimacy and moral example as a Pastor.
Yes, he sounded the alarm, as did others. We are lucky that Russell was made to testify for two hours. Now, his lies are confirmed and irrefutable, a matter of record.
Anyone claiming to be a type of Christ is a threat to everyone he meets. If we don't warn others about that.... what should we ever warn our neighbors about? Six generations of my family have been horribly damaged by this man. It is nice to have his words on record, and I APPLAUD the men who took the time to expose him on his lies and try and warn people.
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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There is sufficient evidence to show that he was a con-man (selling things like Miracle Wheat) and he had serious issues with the ladies resulting in his marriage and he liked to undercut and cheat his business associates out of money every turn he could.
Exactly, which is why I can't understand SBF's caricature of Russel as a spreader of "peace and hope" . Positioning yourself as appointed over all the things of God ie. "belongings", (God's mouthpiece) is not spreading peace and hope. Well, I guess you could say he was spreading a message of peace and hope about himself.
Jesus said many will come in my name and deceive many. It is quite curios how Russell's caricature of a kindly 'old grandfather type could have endured all these decades, even among exjws. My own mother told me once: "I have been told he was a very dignified man".
Bottom line is : He was a sixth grader (educationally) in an adult body that knew how to act dignified, self-important, humble & dare I say "holy". He was a very BIG Liar... which is common in some televangelism today; but he was one of the original pioneers.
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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I found this exchange while under oath on pages 16-19 very revealing as to Russell's character:
But now what are the facts as they were brought out by the examination on March 17th, 1913? As to his scholastic standing, he had sworn that what was said about it was not true. Under the examination, he admitted that, at most, he had attended school only seven years of his life, that of the public school, and that he had left school when he was about fourteen years of age.....
"Do you know the Greek"? Asked the Attorney. "Oh, yes," was Russell's reply. Here he was handed a copy of the New Testament in Greek, by Westcott & Hort, and asked to read the letters of the alphabet as they appear on the top of page 447. He did not know the alphabet. "Now," asked Mr. Staunton, "Are you familiar with the Greek language?" "No," said Mr. Russell, without a blush.
When he saw that he was caught, then he admitted that he knew nothing about Latin, and Hebrew and neither had he ever taken a course in Philosophy, Systematic Theology and neither had he ever attended any of the higher schools of learning. A trap had been set for him at every one of these points, and having been caught in the first, he thought it best for him to "own up before he was shown up." As it was, he was shown up.
This is the man who goes about claiming that he alone has the proper understanding of the Scriptures, condemning the translators of the Bible and denouncing all ministers and teachers of the Word except himself... as ignorant, empty-headed and deceitful. Russell has made quite a free use of the dead languages in his books, but this is evidently not done by himself, but another, with the end in view of misleading the ignorant, and trying to catch the educated. He has familiarized himself with a few big Greek terms which have become Anglicized, such as "Apocalypsis, Epiphaneia, parousia, parak- letos," etc., puts his own meaning into them and then goes about using them before his audiences, and those who do not know any better think him a highly-educated man. This is the man also who condemns all books and papers except those written by himself or published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.
Now as to his ordination. Remember that the self- styled "Pastor" is still under oath and that he says, "The oath is sacred." It is indeed sacred to him. "Is it true that you were never ordained?" asked his counsel. "It is not true," replied Mr. Russell, But my counsel takes him in hand and being wileful, it is difficult to keep the arch-heretic to the point. His Worship, the Magistrate, was appealed to and Russell is informed that he must answer yes or no.
"Now," said Mr. Staunton, "You never were ordained by a bishop, clergyman. Presbytery, council, or any body of men living." After a considerable pause and his eyes fixed on his feet in the witness box, he said, "I never was." He was caught again! and he was not abashed.
This is the gentleman that gives himself forth all over the world as a fully accredited minister of the gospel. What a low standard of morals he must have! What a seared conscience he must possess. He swore he would tell the truth, all the truth and nothing but the truth, and that under the eyes of Almighty God. But how artful he is even under oath in devising falsely! In other words, what a fabricator.
